What is Knock?  With Harvey from The Boostcreep

Harvey ,aka the Boost Creep, comes by the shop to discuss Subaru engine knock, ignition timing and what to watch for on your Accessport. He brings some serious knowledge on how fine knock learning, feedback knock and DAM work together to control ignition timing in Subaru engines. 

Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!

In this Episode:

00:00 - Intro 
00:47 - What is engine knock? 
01:47 - Subaru EJ vs FA knock difference 
02:34 - Different kinds of knock 
04:46 - How does engine timing work? 
05:17 - Ignition before or after TDC (Top Dead Center) 
08:34 - Different levels of engine knock 
09:53 - Knock pressure waves inside an engine
10:42 - Knock sound frequencies 
11:00 - Knock sensors are microphones
11:40 - Sounds that cause false knock 
14:10 - Knock sensor shows symptom but not actual event 
15:50 - What parameters to watch on an Accessport
18:36 - Feedback Knock and Fine Knock Learning
22:09 - DAM (Dynamic Advanced Multiplier)
28:00 - When values should be dynamic or consistent
28:30 - Best way to watch for knock 
31:00 - Look at the log data not the Accessport screen 
31:22 - DAM on EJ vs FA 
32:07 - Knock is not on or off, it’s progressive 
33:16 - Raw knock data doesn’t include ECU filtering used to exclude false knock 


Here is a summary of the key points discussed in this episode:

What is Engine Knock? [00:43]
Abnormal Combustion: Normal combustion starts with a spark and results in a smooth flame front propagating at a controlled speed to push the piston down. Knock (or detonation) is abnormal combustion where the air/fuel mixture burns all at once or in unpredicted, localized areas inside the cylinder.

The Danger: Instead of a smooth pressure rise pushing down the piston, knock creates localized pressure spikes and shockwaves that "slap" the piston or cylinder head. These events can severely damage engine internals.

Frequency and Noise: The shockwaves from knock events travel through the metal of the engine and create a specific audible frequency or "ringing" tone based on the engine's mass and bore size.

How Does a Knock Sensor Work? [11:00]
It's a Microphone: A knock sensor is essentially a piezoelectric microphone bolted to the engine block. It doesn't actually sense the combustion event directly; it "listens" for the specific frequency tone that knock generates.

False Knock: Because the sensor just listens for a specific noise frequency, other things can trigger it (false knock). Loose bolts, shifting hard, solid motor mounts, twin-plate clutches, or even hitting bumps/gravel can send vibrations through the block that mimic the frequency of engine knock.

ECU Filtering: Subaru knows that the engine is inherently noisy. The ECU applies logic and filtering to decide if the noise the sensor picked up is a legitimate knock event or just drivetrain/mechanical noise. For example, cylinder 4 tends to log hundreds of "knock sums" simply because the sensor is bolted directly above it, yet the ECU ignores much of it knowing it's not real knock.

Understanding Accessport Knock Parameters [15:20]
When monitoring your engine via the Cobb Accessport, tuners usually focus on three main parameters:

Feedback Knock: This represents a real-time, reactive timing adjustment. When the ECU hears a knock event, it instantly pulls timing (e.g., -1.4 or -2.8 degrees) to protect the engine. Once the knock noise goes away, the ECU quickly tapers the timing back to normal.

Fine Knock Learning (FKL): This is a predictive/learned response. If the ECU sees consistent knock under specific RPM and load conditions, it will "learn" that zone and preemptively pull timing the next time you enter that same load/RPM range, even if it hasn't heard knock yet. FKL will gradually reduce its timing pull over time if it stops detecting knock in that zone.

Dynamic Advance Multiplier (DAM): This is an overall indicator of engine happiness and fuel quality. Tuners layer their maps: there is a base timing table and a dynamic advance table (a "bonus" timing table). The DAM dictates how much of that bonus timing the engine is allowed to use.

On modern ECUs, a DAM of 1.0 means the engine is happy and utilizing 100% of its available timing.

If the ECU detects excessive or consistent knock (or bad fuel), it will drop the DAM (e.g., to 0.5), universally lowering timing across the entire rev range to protect the engine.

How to Properly Interpret the Data [25:25]
Don't Freak Out Over Minor Numbers: It is completely normal for a healthy engine (especially on lower octane like 91 pump gas) to occasionally record -1.4 or -2.8 degrees of Feedback Knock or Fine Knock Learning during daily driving, shifting, or light cruising.

Look at the DAM: If you suffer from "data anxiety," just watch the DAM. If the DAM remains at 1.0 (or 16 on older 16-bit ECUs), the engine is fundamentally happy. If the DAM drops, that is the ECU signaling that the overall fuel quality is poor or a larger mechanical issue exists.

How to Actually Test for Knock: The best way to check your tune is to put the car in 3rd or 4th gear at a lower RPM (e.g., 2,800 RPM), apply smooth, wide-open throttle, and pull to redline. You want the knock values to remain at 0.0 while deep in boost. Random -1.4 readings while casually shifting gears or tapping the throttle in traffic are usually just false knock or drivetrain noise.